Comments on: On Commitment & Responsibility http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/ Gaming, Marriage and all the Fun Stuff Inbetween Sat, 15 May 2010 09:42:07 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: Monique http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-220 Monique Mon, 09 Jun 2008 07:00:05 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-220 Really well said ~ :) Really well said ~ :)

]]> By: Jagerbombz http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Jagerbombz Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:41:16 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-214 I think this is just the nature of the beast. If you are in a casual raid guild you are eitehr burned out from hardcore raiding and need a break from teh demands of the "job" or you dont have enough time to give a hardcore guild due to RL stuff and like to have the option of not having to be there. If only there could be some sort of middle ground guild setup where raid attenedance isn't required but the group is set and running each time with 95% predictibility and reliability. Maybe we can call it a casualcore raid guild. I think this is just the nature of the beast. If you are in a casual raid guild you are eitehr burned out from hardcore raiding and need a break from teh demands of the “job” or you dont have enough time to give a hardcore guild due to RL stuff and like to have the option of not having to be there. If only there could be some sort of middle ground guild setup where raid attenedance isn’t required but the group is set and running each time with 95% predictibility and reliability. Maybe we can call it a casualcore raid guild.

]]> By: sonvar http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-211 sonvar Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:56:57 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-211 I'd say I totally agree. We had a plan and set people to try to run 2 Kara groups. The first week went off without much issue but following weeks became hassles as we had to fill in gaps. Which brings us to now just doing one Kara group a week. Unless enough people on Saturday decide they want to go. It seems like an unspoken thing when they agree to raid and most people get that but others I think almost have to be directly told about it. I’d say I totally agree. We had a plan and set people to try to run 2 Kara groups. The first week went off without much issue but following weeks became hassles as we had to fill in gaps. Which brings us to now just doing one Kara group a week. Unless enough people on Saturday decide they want to go. It seems like an unspoken thing when they agree to raid and most people get that but others I think almost have to be directly told about it.

]]> By: Valyre http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Valyre Wed, 04 Jun 2008 11:55:19 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-210 I don't think having an attendance policy is the difference between having people show up and not. Just like others have said, the combination of school letting out, sunny weather, and where we are in the game (people already thinking about WotLK like it's coming out next month) affects even hardcore 25-man raiding guilds. The difference is we have a clear cut method of determining if people will continue raiding with us or not. Miss more than 2 raids a week for a month and we reserve the option to demote and replace you. What you're facing is more of a grey area where there's no line in the sand, so people string you along. That being said, just because you're casual it doesn't mean you are at the whim of your guild mates, though. Having signups and some sort of system to keep track of who shows up more often would probably help. Make it known that the higher attenders get raid invite priority. You could even tie it to loot priority. It's your guild. "Casual" doesn't mean "disorganized" or "powerless to direct the guild where you want to go." :D I don’t think having an attendance policy is the difference between having people show up and not. Just like others have said, the combination of school letting out, sunny weather, and where we are in the game (people already thinking about WotLK like it’s coming out next month) affects even hardcore 25-man raiding guilds.

The difference is we have a clear cut method of determining if people will continue raiding with us or not. Miss more than 2 raids a week for a month and we reserve the option to demote and replace you. What you’re facing is more of a grey area where there’s no line in the sand, so people string you along.

That being said, just because you’re casual it doesn’t mean you are at the whim of your guild mates, though. Having signups and some sort of system to keep track of who shows up more often would probably help. Make it known that the higher attenders get raid invite priority. You could even tie it to loot priority.

It’s your guild. “Casual” doesn’t mean “disorganized” or “powerless to direct the guild where you want to go.” :D

]]> By: Kolan http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-209 Kolan Wed, 04 Jun 2008 00:16:43 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-209 We are having the same issues at present. I don't know if it is directly related to Age of Conan or just a general exam type period. For the first few months of this year we had great turn out for 25 mans and had some good progression. The last few weeks seems like everyone has had something on and we struggle to fill a 25 man. I ave also noticed that many of the higher progression raiding guilds have been very active in recruitment of late. We have lost out two main tanks this last fortnight to top end guilds and I know several other of our geared raiders are getting bored and looking around. It is a shame how quickly things can go pear shaped in a semi casual raiding guild. Hope it works out for you. Cheers Kolan We are having the same issues at present. I don’t know if it is directly related to Age of Conan or just a general exam type period. For the first few months of this year we had great turn out for 25 mans and had some good progression. The last few weeks seems like everyone has had something on and we struggle to fill a 25 man.

I ave also noticed that many of the higher progression raiding guilds have been very active in recruitment of late. We have lost out two main tanks this last fortnight to top end guilds and I know several other of our geared raiders are getting bored and looking around.

It is a shame how quickly things can go pear shaped in a semi casual raiding guild.

Hope it works out for you.

Cheers

Kolan

]]> By: Joel’s Scattered Thoughts » Blog Archive » On Commitment & Responsibility http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Joel’s Scattered Thoughts » Blog Archive » On Commitment & Responsibility Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:25:47 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-208 [...] IRL has a good post » On Commitment & Responsibility for raiding. We seem to be struggling a little bit with this lately - school’s ended for some [...] [...] IRL has a good post » On Commitment & Responsibility for raiding. We seem to be struggling a little bit with this lately – school’s ended for some [...]

]]> By: Feather http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-207 Feather Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:22:50 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-207 A guild leader myself, I've seen this problem before as well. One idea is to have a probationary period (my guild's is 1 month) during which time new members are free to signup for raids or whatever, but the guild knows that they are new and can alert the leadership if something odd is going on. As far as attendance specifically, we are also a casual guild, and unless the raid is newbie focused (starter Kara raid, etc) we suggest that interested people signup for the waitlist, they may get a chance to run if someone is unavailable, or someone can see that they want to go and offer their spot for the week, either of which lets the raid get to know the person, and the person get to know the feel of the raid, without a static spot being given away right from the start. A guild leader myself, I’ve seen this problem before as well. One idea is to have a probationary period (my guild’s is 1 month) during which time new members are free to signup for raids or whatever, but the guild knows that they are new and can alert the leadership if something odd is going on.

As far as attendance specifically, we are also a casual guild, and unless the raid is newbie focused (starter Kara raid, etc) we suggest that interested people signup for the waitlist, they may get a chance to run if someone is unavailable, or someone can see that they want to go and offer their spot for the week, either of which lets the raid get to know the person, and the person get to know the feel of the raid, without a static spot being given away right from the start.

]]> By: Joel http://marriedirl.com/2008/06/on-commitment-and-responsibility/comment-page-1/#comment-205 Joel Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:24:38 +0000 http://marriedirl.com/?p=50#comment-205 I'm sorry to hear that you're having commitment/attendance problems. Sadly, I'm also a little relieved that it's not just my little casual guild facing this. If you work out any good solutions, please post them as I would love to find a good way of getting through this. All the best! I’m sorry to hear that you’re having commitment/attendance problems. Sadly, I’m also a little relieved that it’s not just my little casual guild facing this. If you work out any good solutions, please post them as I would love to find a good way of getting through this. All the best!

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